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i know this won't help much with your issue but i wanted to say that i'm facing the same one! i teach 4 classes, and they can get a bit rowdy from time to time, but i have 1 that is consistently rude and disruptive. it's a class of 18 - 19 year olds in the same situation as you described - are not necessarily there by choice. outside 18 students, 7 - 8 like to chat and do "their own thing" on any given day (which is turning into everyday). i'm trying various things such as moving them around to different seats, etc. but they're getting to know everyone in the classroom and chatting with everyone now. as much it's just plain rude and disrespectful, more importantly, i feel bad for the other 10 students who do want to learn. it's not fair to them to have that opportunity taken away from them b/c of the ones who don't want to be there. so, i'm looking for solutions to the same problem as patricia. help!!